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Old 27-05-2007, 03:11 PM
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Drops downs and the like would be considered part of your parkour training and not part of strength and condtioning work
does that meen that depth jumps are not strength training. because i thort they were realy good excentric exercises and depth jump rebounds would build up your reactive strength alot ? [/quote]
depth jumps would be considered plyometric work which can be cycled in occasionally, although considering the nature of parkour it would waste time and energetic resources. practicing drop downs would be skill work.
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Old 28-05-2007, 07:37 PM
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realy.. i do them quite alot for building power for jumping and training to resist shock.

oh also do you think this sounds like it should work. i apply this with most exercises. but i will use legs for an example..

i usualy do:
an isometric hold and then jump out of it. for explosive strength

plyometrics for reactive strength

and then i will do something like pistols with weighted vest to train absolute strength like 1- 6 rm kinda stuf.

i do the same kinda thing with pullups and pushups ect. because i figure if you have good absolute strength/ reactive strength/ explosive and isometrics then surley it will make you a complete beast lol.. i dont realy do much endurance thought apart from trampolining becasue i dont want too may slow twitch fibers.
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Old 28-05-2007, 10:16 PM
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bobbyato @ May 28 2007, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> realy.. i do them quite alot for building power for jumping and training to resist shock.

oh also do you think this sounds like it should work. i apply this with most exercises. but i will use legs for an example..

i usualy do:
an isometric hold and then jump out of it. for explosive strength

plyometrics for reactive strength

and then i will do something like pistols with weighted vest to train absolute strength like 1- 6 rm kinda stuf.

i do the same kinda thing with pullups and pushups ect. because i figure if you have good absolute strength/ reactive strength/ explosive and isometrics then surley it will make you a complete beast lol.. i dont realy do much endurance thought apart from trampolining becasue i dont want too may slow twitch fibers. [/quote]
Just because you are raising a sweat/exerting yourself it does not mean that skill work becomes conditioning... yes there will be some carry over - but not quite the same

Take WillWayland for example... his grappling work is very intense - but it is still skill work, not conditioning. Yes it will train his body to an extent - but not in the same way a well constructed conditioning regieme will.
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Old 29-05-2007, 01:11 AM
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yeah i get what your saying. but from what i have read people like high jumpers do alot of plyometric training like depth jump rebounds and depth jumps for there conditioning. so i figure it would be good conditioning for us.

also the fact that with a depth jump i have to do an excentric contraction and then a short isometric contraction when i stop should make it good conditioning ?

i think we have mixed up definitions of conditioning or something
read this http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/conditon.htm
apparently its placing stress on your body to make it stronger for the sport you do (including coordination training)...

edit.. if any one isn't sure what a depth jump rebound is watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FZM29fV1oc
a depth jump is the same but without the jump after
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Old 29-05-2007, 08:58 AM
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bobbyato @ May 29 2007, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah i get what your saying. but from what i have read people like high jumpers do alot of plyometric training like depth jump rebounds and depth jumps for there conditioning. so i figure it would be good conditioning for us.

also the fact that with a depth jump i have to do an excentric contraction and then a short isometric contraction when i stop should make it good conditioning ?

i think we have mixed up definitions of conditioning or something
read this http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/conditon.htm
apparently its placing stress on your body to make it stronger for the sport you do (including coordination training)...

edit.. if any one isn't sure what a depth jump rebound is watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FZM29fV1oc
a depth jump is the same but without the jump after [/quote]
this is true bobby plyometrics are great for power improvement,sprint speed, jump height, but a high jumper is just that, a traceur is multifaceted and plyometrics are very resource demanding for the athlete. So versus time constraints and sorness caused by plyo's if probably not use them or cycle them in with more elite traceurs. Plyo's are generally overused by people not strong enough to derive benefit from them. its recommend amoung elites that the athlete can squat at least 1.5-2 times their bodyweight before using plyometrics, but inexperianced coaches throw them in all over the show because they have vague knowledge of how plyometrics work. A proper plyometric program should be short lived (because improvements come quickly) and the sorness the next day so bad it can interfere with other work outs.
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Old 29-05-2007, 01:06 PM
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ah ok i see what your saying. i keep plyometrics to a minimum because i do actualy feel it abit in my tendons sometimes after a heavy sesh so i dont wana get tendonitis or any thing.
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Old 29-05-2007, 01:19 PM
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WillWayland @ May 29 2007, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bobbyato @ May 29 2007, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah i get what your saying. but from what i have read people like high jumpers do alot of plyometric training like depth jump rebounds and depth jumps for there conditioning. so i figure it would be good conditioning for us.

also the fact that with a depth jump i have to do an excentric contraction and then a short isometric contraction when i stop should make it good conditioning ?

i think we have mixed up definitions of conditioning or something
read this http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/conditon.htm
apparently its placing stress on your body to make it stronger for the sport you do (including coordination training)...

edit.. if any one isn't sure what a depth jump rebound is watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FZM29fV1oc
a depth jump is the same but without the jump after [/quote]
this is true bobby plyometrics are great for power improvement,sprint speed, jump height, but a high jumper is just that, a traceur is multifaceted and plyometrics are very resource demanding for the athlete. So versus time constraints and sorness caused by plyo's if probably not use them or cycle them in with more elite traceurs. Plyo's are generally overused by people not strong enough to derive benefit from them. its recommend amoung elites that the athlete can squat at least 1.5-2 times their bodyweight before using plyometrics, but inexperianced coaches throw them in all over the show because they have vague knowledge of how plyometrics work. A proper plyometric program should be short lived (because improvements come quickly) and the sorness the next day so bad it can interfere with other work outs. [/quote]
Im shooting for 2x bodyweight zercher squat due to lack of squat rack in gymn... Am I doomed? XD
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Old 31-05-2007, 01:38 PM
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Just had a go at this workout with a couple of tweaks to suit my own goals...

All I can say is WOW - one of the best workouts I have had in a long time, I reccomend to any traceur!
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Old 31-05-2007, 10:30 PM
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (benmoore @ May 31 2007, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just had a go at this workout with a couple of tweaks to suit my own goals...

All I can say is WOW - one of the best workouts I have had in a long time, I reccomend to any traceur! [/quote]
thanks for the approval ben
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</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WillWayland @ May 31 2007, 10:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (benmoore @ May 31 2007, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Just had a go at this workout with a couple of tweaks to suit my own goals...

All I can say is WOW - one of the best workouts I have had in a long time, I reccomend to any traceur! [/quote]
thanks for the approval ben [/quote]
I am infant posting from bed right at this moment! I slept so heavily last night and now my muscles are in so much pain haha! T'is the first time in maybe a year that my lats have been sore after a workout. Well done Mr. Wayland!
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