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View Poll Results: Plyometrics, Weights or Both
Plyometrics (Body Weight) 4 25.00%
Weights 2 12.50%
Both 10 62.50%
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Old 16-05-2008, 05:12 PM
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I have to say, I don't really see the point of weighted vests. It's well established that you don't want to be doing parkour in a vest because the effects on the stresses of the body and the centre of gravity are bad news. These things are costly, ok, sure, you can use them for weighted pullups and dips, but you can use a dipping belt for that too and a dipping belt + weights is far cheaper. Oh and then there's the fact that a dipping belt can actually hold more than 20kg, a classic flaw of the weighted vest.

As for the original topic, I've never tried plyometrics seriously, does anyone on here actually have some experience with them? I'd be interested to know. I'll tell you one thing though, you can do a hell of a lot with plain old weights .
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Old 16-05-2008, 05:39 PM
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I find that to really benefit from them, one must be strong already. And the stimulus usually only lasts about 4 weeks until neural adaptations are made.

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/speed ... hnique.htm
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Old 16-05-2008, 05:46 PM
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Thanks Will. Yeah, I was aware that you need to be pretty strong first. I've heard the figure of a 2BW squat + deadlift quoted, is that about right? In which case, since I'm just about at that point with my squat and past it with the deadlift, is it worth trying plyo?
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:27 AM
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it would be worth cycling it in alistar

as the main movement of a leg session

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6-8 x 3 Broad jumps/depth jumps, vertical leaps, kneeling jump squats, box jumps

unilteral work (lunges) 2-3 x 6-10

Hamstring work 2-3 x 8-12

Rep work finisher (100 reps BW squats) or grip work ( 3 sets timed)
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Old 02-06-2008, 01:06 PM
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I always found the best improvments in my jump came from doing a kind of compound training where I used quite high weight - low rep sets of stuff like squats, lunges & calf-raises then the second half of the session on plyometrics on the same muscle groups.

Will, I'm sure I remember you having a pop at the old Air Alert programme some time ago, but I don't remember why.

I quite like few of the plyometric exercises it. What was it about it you didn't like.
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:16 PM
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too many reps of potentially damaging exercises very high rep recommendation for others, no real progression or maintainence once program is finished.

If you seriously want to improve your vert find a S+C coach
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too many reps of potentially damaging exercises very high rep recommendation for others, no real progression or maintainence once program is finished.

If you seriously want to improve your vert find a S+C coach

His is ridiculous already, he dosnt need anymore XD
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Old 02-06-2008, 07:24 PM
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You can never have too much air dude!

I must admit I never liked the amount of reps in the AA programmes (400 odd reps of some towards the end). I did like some of the exercises in them though.
A friend of mine from one of the first gyms I worked in liked to increase the intensity of plyo exercises with a weight vest, but I personally hated the idea of that. I found that I could get sufficient overload just by putting maximum effort into jumping as hard as I could and spending as little time on the ground as I could on the repeated movements.
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:03 PM
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Plyometric Workout For Vert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oZWVxSqLTs

Works Well.

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Old 04-06-2008, 09:26 PM
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TimB why did you post that crap

makes me want to pull out my eyes and scrub them
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